Borland plans separate company for Delphi, JBuilder, C++Builder, InterBase, JDataStore and other developer products...

[David Intersimone "David I]

To our loyal developer community:

Today, Wednesday February 8, 2006 at 1am Pacific Time, Borland announced
plans to seek a buyer for our IDE product lines that include Delphi,
C++Builder, C#Builder, JBuilder (and Peloton), InterBase, JDataStore,
nDataStore, Kylix, and our older Borland and Turbo language products and
tools. The goal is to create a standalone business focused on advancing
individual developer productivity using the people inside Borland who are
focused on the success of these award winning products.

It is not a trivial decision to separate our IDE business from our ALM
business. As we look back over the past two years and how we have operated
as a company, we have continually had to weigh every dollar investment in
our ALM and developer products. All too often we have chosen to invest in
ALM, because of our stated direction around ALM growth and market
opportunity. But we all know that our loyal customer base demands more.
There is tremendous potential that has been untapped due to the company's
focus towards an enterprise go-to-market model, with an emphasis on a more
consultative, lifecycle sale forcing us to invest more into our ALM
products, ALM marketing, and our enterprise field model. This is a very
different model from our mostly channel-focused, direct-to-developer
marketing, and delivery model (using shrink wrapped boxes and e-shop
downloads).

Focus is a key success factor in business. With this announcement, both
companies will have the focus they need to thrive and help our customers be
successful. I think it's great that Borland is letting us be part of a new
focused company that brings together the team that is passionate about
developers and development. We want to continue to create the best
solutions and technology for the benefit of you, our community of
developers. We are developers working on developer products for our
customers who are developers. This is a special relationship that is unique
in software. We get to work on products that we use ourselves and that our
developer community love.

I started using Turbo Pascal v1.0 in November of 1983 when Philippe Kahn
gave me a copy at Comdex Las Vegas. I put it in my IBM PC and knew
immediately that this was something different. From that day, I knew I
wanted to go to work for Borland. I started working at Borland on June 17,
1985 and for the past 20+ years I have had the pleasure of being a part of a
great company and a great community of software developers. I've had the
luxury and pleasure to manage the compiler group in R&D in the early Turbo
Language days. For the past 15 years I've run Developer Relations allowing
me (and our team) to travel around the world to visit with tens of thousands
of programmers. I get to come to work every day and collaborate with the
best developer focused software engineers on the planet.

I'm really excited to be moving to the new company. We've got the right
team members, we've got the tool and component partner eco-system, we have
the authors, trainers, consultants, and we have the most important part - a
loyal community. Our new company will be focused completely on you and your
success. Yes, both companies will have a focus on software development.
Both are going to advance the state-of-the-art and best practices. They'll
just do it in different ways. Ours will do it by focusing on developer
productivity and building great application development products using our
award winning IDEs, tools, component libraries, class libraries, and
database technologies. Borland will do it by addressing the needs of larger
organizations, helping them optimize their software delivery.

I was asked today by Daryl Taft of eWeek magazine, "As Borland's longest
term employee, how does the spin-off hit you?" I answered by saying, I am
moving forward as part of the new company with a huge smile on my face and a
small tear in my eye.

I want to assure all of you that we are here in Scotts Valley, and around
the world, working on future versions of Delphi, JBuilder and our other
products. We are still listening to your needs, issues, and suggestions. We
are tracking with the new platform initiatives for Windows, .NET, Java, open
standards, and emerging technologies that you want to leverage.

This is the right thing to do for our IDE business. It's the right thing to
do for Borland's ALM focus. Our priority is to ensure a smooth and
successful migration for our developer customer base, and create a vehicle
for giving it greater investment, focus and growth. This is not the
shutting down of a product line, but the empowering of it. This move is in
the best interests of our customers, company, and community.

The buyer of our IDE product lines has not yet been identified, but I and
other members of our developer team are working with Borland's executive
management to ensure that we identify the right buyer who will advance the
IDE business. Borland is committed to its customers first and foremost, and
taking care of their ongoing needs. We will keep you informed along the
journey.

Go Borland. Go New Company. Go Developers!!!

[Shankar Unni]

[..] Borland announced plans to seek a buyer for our IDE product lines [..]

Translation: developer productivity tools don't make money :-(.

I started using Turbo Pascal v1.0 in November of 1983

The foundation stone of the company!

Go Borland. Go New Company. Go Developers!!!

(Don't want to touch that last one :-/).

Sorry for the downer tone, but this is a sad announcement..

[Bob Swart]

Hi Shankar,

Post by Shankar Unni

[..] Borland announced plans to seek a buyer for our IDE product lines [..]

Translation: developer productivity tools don't make money :-(.

IMHO you couldn't be more wrong - it's the focus of the company that has
to be in one direction. Right now, Borland is doing IDE as well as ALM.
And it's for the best of both - IDE and ALM - to be split, with 100%
focus.

Instead of saying Borland splits of the IDE division, you could also see
it that the IDE division splits of the ALM division (and the name
Borland). ;-)

Groetjes,
Bob Swart

[Jayson Minard]

The mistake is in the announcement preceding details that comfort the user
base. "We are splitting off the tools, looking for some unknown buyer,
devaluing them in the process, scaring our user base, good luck!"

Post by Bob Swart
Hi Shankar,

Post by Shankar Unni

[..] Borland announced plans to seek a buyer for our IDE product lines [..]

Translation: developer productivity tools don't make money :-(.

IMHO you couldn't be more wrong - it's the focus of the company that has
to be in one direction. Right now, Borland is doing IDE as well as ALM.
And it's for the best of both - IDE and ALM - to be split, with 100%
focus.
Instead of saying Borland splits of the IDE division, you could also see
it that the IDE division splits of the ALM division (and the name
Borland). ;-)
Groetjes,
Bob Swart

[Patrick J. Maloney]

Post by Jayson Minard
The mistake is in the announcement preceding details that comfort the
user base. "We are splitting off the tools, looking for some unknown
buyer, devaluing them in the process, scaring our user base, good
luck!"

Eclipse any good?

[Lori M Olson [TeamB]]

Post by Patrick J. Maloney

Post by Jayson Minard
The mistake is in the announcement preceding details that comfort the
user base. "We are splitting off the tools, looking for some unknown
buyer, devaluing them in the process, scaring our user base, good
luck!"

Eclipse any good?

If you have used JBuilder for a while, and like it, then Eclipse is a
huge step backward in usability.
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Post by Lori M Olson [TeamB]

Post by Patrick J. Maloney
Eclipse any good?

If you have used JBuilder for a while, and like it, then Eclipse is a
huge step backward in usability.

You can say that again! Few things are better in Eclipse. One
colleague maintains that version control integration is better.
But that may be one of just a few things.

Over the past few days, while I've been waiting for a bit of extra
RAM to arrive, I've had to run Eclipse on a Core Duo iMac. Yes, it
seems to use less RAM than JBuilder. (Would I choose an IDE based on
that alone?) Eclipse is the same on OS X as it is on other platforms;
I'm using 3.2. The frustrations I'm experiencing aren't because I'm
working on OS X.

Some glaring deficiencies:

1. Very long main menus. Yes, you have to get used to each
program's menu system, but Eclipse's seems to be very poorly
organized. The JBuilder team has worked hard each version
to pare down menus, to group them more efficiently, and so on.
There's no evidence that anyone is trying at eclipse.org.

2. Often, there's only one way to get to some functionality.
Example: I wanted to do a "collapse all" in code folding.
Where is code folding in the menu bar menus? Couldn't find
it. Finally, out of sheer luck, I stumbled on right-clicking
the left-hand gutter of the Editor. Up pops a context menu
with code folding options. Yikes, that was a productivity
killer. JBuilder famously offers several ways to get to the
functionality you want.

3. JUnit integration: JBuilder's Message Pane ***tells*** you
which passed and which failed. Eclipse? You have to figure
that out from the log output. Another productivity killer.

4. I'm using Middlegen, an ORM GUI which must be started from
an ANT task. Okay, in JBuilder, I would just click the "middlegen"
target in the "build.xml" file and go. Middlegen, a Swing app,
just runs.

Eclipse: oh thank you for SWT! Turns out that the are platform
incompatibilities which on OS X prevent you from running both
SWT and AWT code in the same VM. There's a really long bug
report at eclipse.org on this, involving Eclipse folks, Apple
Java folks, and well, can I say ***frustrated*** Eclipse on OS X
users. Solution: run ANT from the command line. Okay, but what's
the point of having the can-opener IDE in your toolbox?

5. Project switching in JBuilder causes you to focus only on
files that are open in the currently selected project.
Eclipse: not only don't the source file tabs not have a
tooltip which tells you the entire path, there's no "Select
in Project Pane" nor "Properties" when right-clicking on
the file's tab. You have to find the file in the Navigator
or the Package Explorer and right-click on that node. Good luck
finding it if you have been working across two or three projects!

6. Eclipse has views and perspectives out the wazoo, but why?
Here's a killer: the Java and Debug perspectives are separate.
Why?! In JBuilder, they're the same thing.

7. Keymap editing is tedious. I couldn't find the equivalent
of JBuilder Error Insight feature's "Go to next error" (Alt-return)
for some 5 minutes. Had to call up the Help, search for key
bindings, but took some searching down the page "Go to Next Problem".
Right "problem" not "error". Go back to the "Preferences > Keys >
Navigate category and there's no "Go to Next Problem". There's a
"Next". Next what?! The only way I figured that this is the same
thing described in the Help was the key binding -- Command-dot.
Whoa! That was productive. Command-dot > Command-1 (Quick fix)
and maybe I'm finally back to work.

8. Speaking of Help. Where are the Help buttons in Eclipse's
dialogs?! There are none. Hitting F1 doesn't bring it up either.
So, you got a question? Close your dialog (or dialogs depending
upon how deep into it you are) and summon up Help from the menubar.
Whooppee!

9. ... oh forget it.

I could go on and on and on. The point is ... I have a talk to
give tonight at our local JUG. The extra memory just arrived
by Fed Ex, and JBuilder hums. Guess which IDE I'll use from now
until I'm done talking today?


As my colleague, a former TeamB member who has been trying real
hard to Eclipse himself said to me the other day: "... I have
mentioned before how "bolted together" the product feels." Yes,
he had said that, and I couldn't agree more after working with
it for the past half week.
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Paul Furbacher (TeamB)

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[Alexey N. Solofnenko]

While agreeing in general with this (and I think that JBuilder is much
more user friendly), but I have some notes:

5. Project switching is one of the worst things in JBuilder (and there
is a tooltip on a file tab in Eclipse saying where the file is from).
For example, I want to put a break point: simple double clicking on a
file opens the file, but changes active project, so I cannot set break
point there and I switch project back, but the file is not opened any
more! The only way is to "find class" and open it in the current project.

Plus there are real project dependencies in Eclipse.

6. While it is often unnecessary, I like to have different windows setup
for debugging (and I added some views from Java into Debug mode, so I
can do both while debugging).

- Alexey.

Post by Paul Furbacher [TeamB]

Post by Lori M Olson [TeamB]

Post by Patrick J. Maloney
Eclipse any good?

If you have used JBuilder for a while, and like it, then Eclipse is a
huge step backward in usability.

You can say that again! Few things are better in Eclipse. One
colleague maintains that version control integration is better.
But that may be one of just a few things.
Over the past few days, while I've been waiting for a bit of extra
RAM to arrive, I've had to run Eclipse on a Core Duo iMac. Yes, it
seems to use less RAM than JBuilder. (Would I choose an IDE based on
that alone?) Eclipse is the same on OS X as it is on other platforms;
I'm using 3.2. The frustrations I'm experiencing aren't because I'm
working on OS X.
1. Very long main menus. Yes, you have to get used to each
program's menu system, but Eclipse's seems to be very poorly
organized. The JBuilder team has worked hard each version
to pare down menus, to group them more efficiently, and so on.
There's no evidence that anyone is trying at eclipse.org.
2. Often, there's only one way to get to some functionality.
Example: I wanted to do a "collapse all" in code folding.
Where is code folding in the menu bar menus? Couldn't find
it. Finally, out of sheer luck, I stumbled on right-clicking
the left-hand gutter of the Editor. Up pops a context menu
with code folding options. Yikes, that was a productivity
killer. JBuilder famously offers several ways to get to the
functionality you want.
3. JUnit integration: JBuilder's Message Pane ***tells*** you
which passed and which failed. Eclipse? You have to figure
that out from the log output. Another productivity killer.
4. I'm using Middlegen, an ORM GUI which must be started from
an ANT task. Okay, in JBuilder, I would just click the "middlegen"
target in the "build.xml" file and go. Middlegen, a Swing app,
just runs.
Eclipse: oh thank you for SWT! Turns out that the are platform
incompatibilities which on OS X prevent you from running both
SWT and AWT code in the same VM. There's a really long bug
report at eclipse.org on this, involving Eclipse folks, Apple
Java folks, and well, can I say ***frustrated*** Eclipse on OS X
users. Solution: run ANT from the command line. Okay, but what's
the point of having the can-opener IDE in your toolbox?
5. Project switching in JBuilder causes you to focus only on
files that are open in the currently selected project.
Eclipse: not only don't the source file tabs not have a
tooltip which tells you the entire path, there's no "Select
in Project Pane" nor "Properties" when right-clicking on
the file's tab. You have to find the file in the Navigator
or the Package Explorer and right-click on that node. Good luck
finding it if you have been working across two or three projects!
6. Eclipse has views and perspectives out the wazoo, but why?
Here's a killer: the Java and Debug perspectives are separate.
Why?! In JBuilder, they're the same thing.
7. Keymap editing is tedious. I couldn't find the equivalent
of JBuilder Error Insight feature's "Go to next error" (Alt-return)
for some 5 minutes. Had to call up the Help, search for key
bindings, but took some searching down the page "Go to Next Problem".
Right "problem" not "error". Go back to the "Preferences > Keys >
Navigate category and there's no "Go to Next Problem". There's a
"Next". Next what?! The only way I figured that this is the same
thing described in the Help was the key binding -- Command-dot.
Whoa! That was productive. Command-dot > Command-1 (Quick fix)
and maybe I'm finally back to work.
8. Speaking of Help. Where are the Help buttons in Eclipse's
dialogs?! There are none. Hitting F1 doesn't bring it up either.
So, you got a question? Close your dialog (or dialogs depending
upon how deep into it you are) and summon up Help from the menubar.
Whooppee!
9. ... oh forget it.
I could go on and on and on. The point is ... I have a talk to
give tonight at our local JUG. The extra memory just arrived
by Fed Ex, and JBuilder hums. Guess which IDE I'll use from now
until I'm done talking today?
As my colleague, a former TeamB member who has been trying real
hard to Eclipse himself said to me the other day: "... I have
mentioned before how "bolted together" the product feels." Yes,
he had said that, and I couldn't agree more after working with
it for the past half week.

[Paul Furbacher [TeamB]]

Post by Alexey N. Solofnenko
While agreeing in general with this (and I think that JBuilder is
5. Project switching is one of the worst things in JBuilder (and
there is a tooltip on a file tab in Eclipse saying where the file
is from). For example, I want to put a break point: simple double
clicking on a file opens the file, but changes active project, so I
cannot set break point there and I switch project back, but the
file is not opened any more! The only way is to "find class" and
open it in the current project.

That could be remedied fairly easily by adding a menu item to the
editor tab, something like "Open file in project > list of project
as sub-menu items.

Post by Alexey N. Solofnenko
Plus there are real project dependencies in Eclipse.

No kidding! Why list all the project's assets (libraries,
JDK, for example) in the project tree? Those are properties
of the project, backing assets if you will. JBuilder
handles this well by making them accessible in the
Properties dialog.

Post by Alexey N. Solofnenko
6. While it is often unnecessary, I like to have different windows
setup for debugging (and I added some views from Java into Debug
mode, so I can do both while debugging).

In Eclipse or JBuilder. I would think that in the latter, this
is not necessary unless you are debugging across projects.
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Paul Furbacher (TeamB)

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Thank you.

[Alexey N. Solofnenko]

And they are finishing support for Java 6.0:

http://today.java.net/pub/n/4006

- Alexey.

[Paul Furbacher [TeamB]]

Post by Alexey N. Solofnenko
http://today.java.net/pub/n/4006

Oh, yeah?

Well, they must have heard/read me jumping up and down about
not a single Help button in *any* dialog in Eclipse:

"Improved help in dialogs

Most dialogs in Eclipse now have a standard help button
on the bottom left corner. ..."

This is a huge stride forward. After how many millions of
dollars poured in by IBM and after how many project leads
and coders *still* are open-source-jobbers at IBM?!

(I've read $40 million, but I bet that's on the low side.)
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[r***@bigpond.net.au]

Post by Patrick J. Maloney
Eclipse any good?

It is popular among our Java developers. Several of them are
ex-JBuilder users.

[Paul Furbacher [TeamB]]

Post by r***@bigpond.net.au

Post by Patrick J. Maloney
Eclipse any good?

It is popular among our Java developers. Several of them are
ex-JBuilder users.

Because it's free?
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Post by Paul Furbacher [TeamB]

Post by Patrick J. Maloney
Eclipse any good?

It is popular among our Java developers. Several of them are ex-JBuilder users.

Because it's free?

Both Eclipse and JBuilder are free...:-)
To the developer, that is, since the company buys the IDE.

[Lori M Olson [TeamB]]

Post by r***@bigpond.net.au

Post by Paul Furbacher [TeamB]

Post by Patrick J. Maloney
Eclipse any good?

It is popular among our Java developers. Several of them are ex-JBuilder users.

Because it's free?

Both Eclipse and JBuilder are free...:-)
To the developer, that is, since the company buys the IDE.

Absolutely WRONG. It is not "free" to the developer if the company buys
the IDE. The developer has to make a case for valuable budget $$$ to be
spent on buying JBuilder, and then has to make the case again for every
upgrade.

It is "easy" for the developer to use something free, because they don't
have to go to all that work.

Personally, I think that kind of laziness/avoidance is responsible for
some serious productivity losses in these companies that "choose"
Eclipse because it's "free".
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Post by Lori M Olson [TeamB]
Personally, I think that kind of laziness/avoidance is responsible for
some serious productivity losses in these companies that "choose" Eclipse
because it's "free".

Agreed. I've consulted at large enterprises that have invested millions
in the hardware and software of their infrastructure only to scrimp on
development tools for their mission-critical applications. The amount of
work I've seen it take developers to do the simplest things in Eclipse
just floors me. Lost productivity is an invisible cost, but I'll bet the
payback for replacing JBuilder with Eclipse is measured in weeks.
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Post by Kevin Dean [TeamB]
Agreed. I've consulted at large enterprises that have invested millions
in the hardware and software of their infrastructure only to scrimp on
development tools for their mission-critical applications. The amount
of work I've seen it take developers to do the simplest things in
Eclipse just floors me.

For instance?

Post by Kevin Dean [TeamB]
Lost productivity is an invisible cost, but
I'll bet the payback for replacing JBuilder with Eclipse is measured in
weeks.

Maybe we should attempt to quantify this. Start
a list of issues. Borland isn't making much noise
as to why choose JBuilder, so maybe we should.
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Post by Paul Furbacher [TeamB]
For instance?

Typically anything to do with building the J2EE tier. Eclipse plug-ins
are available but they all appear to do things in ways that are more
difficult and less intuitive than JBuilder does. I don't use Eclipse much
myself simply because I don't have the time or the patience to learn it
(and to hunt down plug-ins for what's missing), but I've run demos on
building EJB groups, WAR files, Struts and Tiles applications, Web
Services, etc. The reaction from the Eclipse developers has almost
universally been "wow, why can't we have that?"

Post by Paul Furbacher [TeamB]
Maybe we should attempt to quantify this. Start
a list of issues. Borland isn't making much noise
as to why choose JBuilder, so maybe we should.

If I felt that such effort would actually go somewhere (i.e. be picked up
by Borland and shouted from the rooftops), I'd be happy to learn enough
about Eclipse to contribute to such a list.
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[r***@bigpond.net.au]

Post by Bob Swart

Post by Shankar Unni
Translation: developer productivity tools don't make money :-(.

IMHO you couldn't be more wrong

You are mistaken.
Revenue from the IDE section has dropped from 15% of quarterly revenue
to just 7% of quarterly revenue.

[Dave Nottage [TeamB]]

Post by r***@bigpond.net.au
You are mistaken.

No, you are. Please check your quotes before posting.

[Lori M Olson [TeamB]]

I imagine that the BDN DevRel chat this afternoon will be interesting...

http://ec.borland.com/eventDisplay.faces?e=629

3 pm PST
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[Jayson Minard]

Hey Lori,

Any luck on getting Mac OS X and JB 2006 working together? I remember you
posting that you or someone you knew was making the attempt. I can try it
as well, just avoiding the duplicate effort if already underway.

--j

Post by Lori M Olson [TeamB]
I imagine that the BDN DevRel chat this afternoon will be interesting...
http://ec.borland.com/eventDisplay.faces?e=629
3 pm PST

[Lori M Olson [TeamB]]

Post by Jayson Minard
Hey Lori,
Any luck on getting Mac OS X and JB 2006 working together? I remember you
posting that you or someone you knew was making the attempt. I can try it
as well, just avoiding the duplicate effort if already underway.
--j

Trying. Not having much time, or much luck, so go ahead.
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