Java / Delphi / .NET??

[Roy]

Hi there

After developing with Delphi for 8 yrs I was thinking of making a switch. In my country Java developers are paid almost 2-3 times more than Delphi or C#.

I friend commented that C# will pay more soon, as .NET is still young and MS are doing ports for linux etx. Should I consider going the C# route or Java longterm? I've got a small amount of experience in both. I prefer C# due to it's similiarities with Delphi and it would therefore obviously be easier to learn. Also how about J#?

Any comments would be welcome
Roy

[Buch]

Post by Roy
After developing with Delphi for 8 yrs I was thinking of making a switch.

In my country Java developers are paid almost 2-3 times more than Delphi or
C#.
That is good part of decision.
And don't forget, Java is #1 in bussines, like Cobol used to be. Will be
here for a long time.

Post by Roy
I friend commented that C# will pay more soon, as .NET is still young and

MS are doing ports for linux etx. Should I consider going the C# route or
Java
C# is nice, but it is more about will you do NET. As I see, I dont need NET
just to develop for windows, because win32 are going to be here for long
time also, so I don't need to waste CPU and memory to NET layer.
It has more sense to me to make Java app, if you are after "bussines app",
because user can switch to another OS if they feel like it, therefore
preserving their investment and reducing the risk. NET works only on
windows.

[Roy]

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Post by Buch
That is good part of decision.
And don't forget, Java is #1 in bussines, like Cobol used to be. Will be
here for a long time.
"

Not knowing the Java community very well, whats next after Java? In the US are Java devs also paid more? How long before the market becomes saturated like the MCSE?

You don't think .NET will consume it? Most of what MS strives out to do it achieves. Whith IMHO 2nd grade products and a great marketing team.

The reasons I've mostly avoided it (Java) were for performance issues although now with .NET I think .NET needs some serious re-working...We were testing with .NET V2 Beta and a form with no code and a menu, 2 buttons and a few textboxes took up 40MB RAM :(. Beta or not it's pathetic and sad.

Can you point me to a good Java book and what IDE is the most popular / best, I've heard of NetBeans, JBuilder, VS J++ etc.

I remember Notepad was best for HTML :). Thanks HomeSite.

Thanks again
Roy

[Buch]

Uh, I forgot this thread, sorry. So, if you are reading this, I apologize.
:)

Post by Roy
Not knowing the Java community very well, whats next after Java?

Nobody knows. After hiting silicon end, I guess software will go into ASIC
modules, if cheaper than optronics.

Post by Roy
You don't think .NET will consume it? Most of what MS strives out to do it

achieves. Whith IMHO 2nd grade products and a great marketing team.
No. I think, in the next 10 years Microsoft is finished, meaning it will be
small player like everybody else. Their development tools department is
looser, and its onl function is to attract customers to primary product,
windows and office. But, Linux is here, Solaris is open source (will be),
and OpenOffice.org is free and does what 90% people needs, and is compatible
with Office formats. Very soon Mozilla will release free substitute for
Outlook scheduler. Nobody can compete with "free". While Microsoft perhaps
(small chance) can harm Linux via SCO, it can't Solaris.

Post by Roy
The reasons I've mostly avoided it (Java) were for performance issues

although now with .NET I think .NET needs some serious re-working...We were
testing >with .NET V2 Beta and a form with no code and a menu, 2 buttons and
a few textboxes took up 40MB RAM :(. Beta or not it's pathetic and sad.
Throw it away. Have an eye on NET, but don't waste time.

Post by Roy
Can you point me to a good Java book and what IDE is the most popular /

best, I've heard of NetBeans, JBuilder, VS J++ etc.
You have lot of free newbie books and papers on http://java.sun.com
Another very popular IDE, after JBuilder is www.eclipse.org, and
www.eclipseplugincentral.com
Some pople like IntelliJ Idea.

[Dave Nottage [TeamB]]

Post by Roy
I friend commented that C# will pay more soon, as .NET is still young
and MS are doing ports for linux etx.

MS are not doing ports for Linux. Your friend might be referring to the
Mono project:

http://www.mono-project.com/about/index.html

Post by Roy
Should I consider going the C# route or Java longterm? I've got a
small amount of experience in both. I prefer C# due to it's
similiarities with Delphi and it would therefore obviously be
easier to learn.

C# is also similar in ways to Java.

Post by Roy
Also how about J#?

I'd avoid that.