Difference between Turbo JBuilder 2007 and JBuilder 2007 Developer

[Tom]

I've downloaded a copy of Turbo JBuilder 2007, but before I install
it, I've got a non-technical problem: Are there differences between
the above mentioned versions of JBuilder? In order to get an answer
by myself I've Googled 'Turbo JBuilder' and I didn't get satis-
factory answers, since most of the search-results are written in
an other language than English, German, Dutch or French. Even on
Codegear site it's silent about Turbo JBuilder. If Turbo JBuilder
is an exact copy of Eclipse, it's unlikely that I will use it
except trying it. If Turbo JBuilder has the same visual
capabilities found in JBuilder 9 through JBuilder 2006 Foundation
I'll surely use it. I've used 3 Java IDEs and I'm mostly develop-
ing desktop apps. These are the IDEs and the strong points of
them:

Eclipse/Websphere: Enterprise, Refactoring
NetBeans: Speed, Ease of use
JBuilder 2006<: Visual Editor for desktop applications, Ease of
use

My question is exactly: can I expect the same visual component
pallette known from earlier JBuilder Foundations in the newly
released Turbo JBuilder?

[Lori M Olson [TeamB]]

Post by Tom
I've downloaded a copy of Turbo JBuilder 2007, but before I install
it, I've got a non-technical problem: Are there differences between
the above mentioned versions of JBuilder? In order to get an answer
by myself I've Googled 'Turbo JBuilder' and I didn't get satis-
factory answers, since most of the search-results are written in
an other language than English, German, Dutch or French. Even on
Codegear site it's silent about Turbo JBuilder. If Turbo JBuilder
is an exact copy of Eclipse, it's unlikely that I will use it
except trying it. If Turbo JBuilder has the same visual
capabilities found in JBuilder 9 through JBuilder 2006 Foundation
I'll surely use it. I've used 3 Java IDEs and I'm mostly develop-
ing desktop apps. These are the IDEs and the strong points of
Eclipse/Websphere: Enterprise, Refactoring
NetBeans: Speed, Ease of use
JBuilder 2006<: Visual Editor for desktop applications, Ease of
use
My question is exactly: can I expect the same visual component
pallette known from earlier JBuilder Foundations in the newly
released Turbo JBuilder?

No. The visual designer is not a part of JBuilder 2007, in any edition.

It is however, considerably better than Eclipse by itself, and offers
ways of importing JBuilder projects into Eclipse workspaces.
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Regards,

Lori Olson [TeamB]

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[dingfelder]

Hi Lori,

Can you expand upon this?

Post by Lori M Olson [TeamB]
No. The visual designer is not a part of JBuilder 2007, in any edition.
It is however, considerably better than Eclipse by itself, and offers
ways of importing JBuilder projects into Eclipse workspaces.

I am not clear on "what" is considerably better. The visual editor? or jbuilder2007 turbo? (as compared to out-of-the-box eclipse)

I do agree that for past JBuilder users, an import wizard can be a good thing.

Are there any other differences between the turbo version and the developer version?

What I think people really need (and have been asking for) is the inclusion of the turbo edition into the features matrix.

Cheers,

Ding

[David Orriss Jr [TeamB]]

Post by dingfelder
or jbuilder2007 turbo? (as compared to out-of-the-box eclipse)

Lori means JBuilder 2007 Turbo is better than "out of the box" Eclipse.
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[dingfelder]

I believe you. :-)

"how" is it better?

(a list of features would be great)

Cheers!

Post by David Orriss Jr [TeamB]

Post by dingfelder
or jbuilder2007 turbo? (as compared to out-of-the-box eclipse)

Lori means JBuilder 2007 Turbo is better than "out of the box" Eclipse.
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[David Orriss Jr [TeamB]]

Post by dingfelder
I believe you. :-)
"how" is it better?
(a list of features would be great)
Cheers!

I'd have to root around in the Turbo Edition to answer that. I haven't
seen the feature matrix yet. :-)
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[Tom]

Hi,

I've installed the zipped bits 'n bytes of TJ2007 and despite
the lack of Borland-specific components like DbSwing found on
the former JBuilders, I'm quite impressed: it's darn close to a
real enterprise capable JBuilder just good for multi-tier
applications. But I'm most interested in classical JApplets and
normal JFrame applications. Database programming in pretty
easy thanks to JDBC. Okay, it's now hand-written work, but I
now can controle database access by myself using code.

On the other side Turbo JBuilder is extremely extended by
professional tools like refactoring. It resembles the Express
Editions of Visual Studio which are alse a huge increase
compared to the former Learning Editions of the VS languages.

[dingfelder]

Tom,

Have you used "out of the box" eclipse?
If so, how does the turbo edition compare?
(Borland has been unable to add the turbo edition to their jbuilder "features matrix" so far, and it would be nice to know the differences between turbo vs developer vs standard eclipse)

Post by Tom
Hi,
I've installed the zipped bits 'n bytes of TJ2007 and despite
the lack of Borland-specific components like DbSwing found on
the former JBuilders, I'm quite impressed: it's darn close to a
real enterprise capable JBuilder just good for multi-tier
applications. But I'm most interested in classical JApplets and
normal JFrame applications. Database programming in pretty
easy thanks to JDBC. Okay, it's now hand-written work, but I
now can controle database access by myself using code.
On the other side Turbo JBuilder is extremely extended by
professional tools like refactoring. It resembles the Express
Editions of Visual Studio which are alse a huge increase
compared to the former Learning Editions of the VS languages.